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Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 07:58:20 -0500
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From: "Randy" <randystuart@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Cold Induction
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Do I hear a challenge?? I haven't been beaten yet by any 320/360 LNC-2. =
;)
We did have an LNC-2 that we stuffed a IO-360 angle valve 200 HP and =
added all the tricks. It was faster, but only by a few knots. It crashed =
last year, sorry to say.=20
But as you can see by your own numbers, you've hit the 200 knot wall. On =
the angle valve engine LNC-2 we had on the field, it was at least a good =
40 HP over the parallel valve LNC-2's here. It was only 5 knots faster =
on a good day then the others. It climbed better and burned more fuel =
better but still had to push past the 200 knot wall. We also have a 320 =
powered LNC-2 ( won Oshkosh Bronze 2006 ) and it easily hits 200 knots =
but it's straight, light, has all the tricks and rigged right.=20
Like I was saying before, there's more to getting these planes to go =
faster then just horse power. Every airframe design has a power to drag =
limit just ask any designer. If that wasn't true then a LEG would go =
twice as fast because it has twice as much horse power and an LNC-2. =
LEG is only 30 knots faster with 400 HP.
Randy Stuart
LNC-2=20
----- Original Message -----=20
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To: lml@lancaironline.net=20
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 4:00 PM
Subject: [LML] Re: Cold Induction
Randy, et al,
I found that there is no wall except from power applied after drag has =
been addressed (uh, maybe flutter is the limit). I file for 194 KTAS. =
I see 176-181 KIAS at 5000 to 8000 MSL at or near 25 squared. But, the =
real test is to race from point to point and have somebody else time the =
whole durn thing.
2002 Sun 100, 202.2 Knots. As close to sea level as I'll ever get.
2003 Air Venture Cup from Kitty Hawk -> Dayton -> Fond du Lac, 191.4 =
Knots. OK, not so good 'cause of the wind, weather, 6000' =
mini-mountains and a 6 Knot bug penalty in Illinois (845 NM, 2 days). =
Hah, after Illinois the dirtied-canard planes couldn't slow down for =
fear of falling out of the sky. Beat all kinds of higher powered =
planes.
2004 AVC Dayton -> Fond du Lac, 205.4 Knots (385 NM, smooth air at =
2100 MSL).
2006 AVC Dayton -> Fond du Lac, 202.3 Knots. Beat a turbo charged =
360.
Or, at the final Lancair 100, September 2006 in Redmond (3000 MSL Top =
Gun terrain), "they" measured me at 210+ Knots. I beat scads of 360's =
'cept for Chris Zavatson.
Not bad for a 9:1 injected 320, EI, ram air and some other itty bitty =
adjustments, more added each year after 2002.
Wanna race?
Scott Krueger AKA Grayhawk
Lancair N92EX IO320 SB 89/96
Aurora, IL (KARR)
Pilot not TSO'd, Certificated score only > 70%.
=20
In a message dated 2/13/2008 12:09:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, =
randystuart@hotmail.com writes:
It's hard to get your LNC-2 past 200 kts., that seems to be the wall =
on the design for these rockets.
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<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D4>Do I hear a =
challenge?? I=20
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;)</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D4>We did have an =
LNC-2 that we=20
stuffed a IO-360 angle valve 200 HP and added all the tricks. It was =
faster, but=20
only by a few knots. It crashed last year, sorry to say.=20
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<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D4>But as you can see =
by your own=20
numbers, you've hit the 200 knot wall. On the angle valve engine LNC-2 =
we had on=20
the field, it was at least a good 40 HP over the parallel valve LNC-2's =
here. It=20
was only 5 knots faster on a good day then the others. It climbed better =
and=20
burned more fuel better but still had to push past the 200 knot wall. We =
also=20
have a 320 powered LNC-2 ( won Oshkosh Bronze 2006 ) and it easily =
hits 200=20
knots but it's straight, light, has all the tricks and rigged right.=20
</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D4>Like I was saying =
before,=20
there's more to getting these planes to go faster then just horse power. =
Every=20
airframe design has a power to drag limit just ask any designer. If that =
wasn't=20
true then a LEG would go twice as fast because it has twice as much =
horse power=20
and an LNC-2. LEG is only 30 knots faster with=20
400 HP.</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D4>Randy=20
Stuart</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow"=20
size=3D4>LNC-2</FONT></EM></STRONG> </DIV>
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<A title=3DSky2high@aol.com =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dlml@lancaironline.net=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 13, =
2008 4:00=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [LML] Re: Cold =
Induction</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT id=3Drole_document face=3DArial color=3D#000000 =
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<DIV>Randy, et al,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I found that there is no wall except from power applied after =
drag has=20
been addressed (uh, maybe flutter is the limit). I file for 194=20
KTAS. I see 176-181 KIAS at 5000 to 8000 MSL at or near 25=20
squared. But, the real test is to race from point to point and =
have=20
somebody else time the whole durn thing.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>2002 Sun 100, 202.2 Knots. As close to sea level as I'll =
ever=20
get.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>2003 Air Venture Cup from Kitty Hawk -> Dayton -> Fond du =
Lac,=20
191.4 Knots. OK, not so good 'cause of the wind, weather, 6000'=20
mini-mountains and a 6 Knot bug penalty in Illinois (845 NM, 2=20
days). Hah, after Illinois the dirtied-canard planes couldn't =
slow down=20
for fear of falling out of the sky. Beat all kinds of higher =
powered=20
planes.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>2004 AVC Dayton -> Fond du Lac, 205.4 Knots (385 NM, smooth =
air at=20
2100 MSL).</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>2006 AVC Dayton -> Fond du Lac, 202.3 Knots. Beat a =
turbo=20
charged 360.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Or, at the final Lancair 100, September 2006 in =
Redmond=20
(3000 MSL Top Gun terrain), "they" measured me at 210+ Knots. I =
beat=20
scads of 360's 'cept for Chris Zavatson.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Not bad for a 9:1 injected 320, EI, ram air and some =
other itty=20
bitty adjustments, more added each year after 2002.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Wanna race?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial size=3D2 PTSIZE=3D"10" =
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">Scott=20
Krueger AKA Grayhawk<BR>Lancair N92EX IO320 SB 89/96<BR>Aurora, IL=20
(KARR)<BR><BR>Pilot not TSO'd, Certificated score only >=20
70%.</FONT></DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 2/13/2008 12:09:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, =
randystuart@hotmail.com writes:</DIV>
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size=3D4><STRONG><EM><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D4>It's hard =
to get your=20
LNC-2 past 200 kts., that seems to be the wall on the design for =
these=20
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